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Please also tag for Fabian Nicieza and Grant Morrison, as well as the issue numbers of the arcs in which they both butchered Jason's characterization, as well as for typical trigger warnings. I am very serious about this- I unfollow people who don't fucking tag.
I am likewise willing to tag for anything. I do my best to tag for anything that might generally be a problem for someone, but if I'm posting something you need to Savior, just drop me an ask and I'll do my best.
This is an anti-Babsgirl blog.
Hard to believe that me commissioning one helmet could havesuch a ripplemeffect haha.
Those Red Hoods looks awesome!
I NEED THOSE
GIMME
colored with alcohol markers.
I know I’ve reblogged this already, but I just was looking at this particular one again and wanted to note that these four really are so great together.
UNSTOPPABLE FIGHTING FORCE!
My friend dimethyloctopus. She is just fantastically talented, and does some incredible pieces. She draws a lot of Cass and Jason, especially.
Really, look at her stuff:
Click on all of these pics to go see the original post with them. She’s really talented, and also pretty funny. We also may or may not be planning a secret project together right now.
So yeah. She’s really awesome, you guys.
EDIT: Uh, so the whole hyperlinking thing isn’t working because Tumblr sucks and is made of bees and duct tape. Just click on her name up top and you can find these original images under the art tag.
So I was reskining my Minecraft character this morning, and you know what happens when you give me a doll maker, I make my favorite characters first.
Ha! They’re very cute, Saph. XD
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From Flying Dragon and Dancing Phoenix, an AU in which Dragon’s Blood happens closer to UTH and Jason and Connor meet afterwards:
“So, Green Arrow, huh?”
“Yeah.”“Obviously not Oliver Queen.”
Connor turned, a little surprised. “You know him?”
“Know of him. Got that stupid little beard, used to have Harper running with him.”
“You know Roy?”
He shrugged. “We’ve met.” An evasion if he’d ever heard one, but Connor didn’t push. “Getting off topic, though.”
“I’m his son.”
“Really? Explains the blonde, I guess.”
“Why does everyone say that?”
The other man ignored the question. “So how’d you end up running around in his jammies?”
Connor shrugged. “It’s kind of a long story.”
“That code for ‘I don’t want to talk about it’?”
“Not really. It’s just… complicated.”
The other stared at him for a few moments, expression unreadable. “You took over after he died, didn’t you?”
Connor blinked in surprise, then nodded. “Yeah. Well, I was Green Arrow for a little bit before that. He gave it up for a little while, and I wanted to throw some people who were chasing us off the scent… then he went undercover in the Eden Corps, and things went bad and…” he trailed off momentarily, shrugging. The other man was watching intently, enough so to make anyone else uncomfortable. Connor just continued, “He came back a little while ago. He wanted to share the name.” The other man watched him for a few moments longer, clearly waiting for something further. Connor didn’t know what else to say. After a little longer, the brunette shifted and gave a small nod, barely noticeable.
The ensuing silence was awkward. Connor fidgeted with his bow. The brunette examined his knife, lost to the world. Eventually, Connor broke the silence, clearing his throat carefully. “You know, I never did give you my name.” He extended a hand to shake. “Connor Hawke.”
The other man looked at him for a few moments, then returned the gesture.
“Jason. Jason Todd.”
Oh, and as a bonus:
“What are you doing in my apartment?”
“Easiest way to find you. Not that finding you isn’t easy enough as is. You don’t cover your tracks well, you know that?”
“I’m not hiding from anyone.”“Stupid of you. You’re the vigilante who fought Shiva to a standstill. You’ve got plenty of people with an interest in your head on a silver platter.”
“… has anyone ever told you that you’re kind of paranoid?”
“Yes, but they were all out to get me.”
Batman - Li’l Gotham is the best thing to happen to the Batfamily in who knows how long.
Such a cute series that everyone should be reading.
Oh, my god. There is too much cuteness for one panel. TOO MUCH CUTENESS.
omg Jason hanging with Bruce, Helena & Zatanna :D
OMFG is the new one out already?
*runs over to Comixology before reading anything else on her dash*
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I miss Lian.
Titans v1 #5
We all do.
But Scott Lobdell said he doesn’t want to glorify teen pregnancy, so it’s nice that he has sound reasoning for why she doesn’t exist anymore.
Clearly, this man doesn’t know how to write if he thinks writing about teen pregnancy will glorify it. I never saw it as being glorified before, here. There’re ways to write things without glorifying it. He has no skill has a writer if he can’t possibly avoid that pitfall.
Wait
Wait wait wait wait
That was what he said about not bringing in Lian? That was his reasoning?
Oh my god
I hate that man so much.
WAIT. WAIT.
I paraphrased, sorry
http://www.titanstower.com/scott-lobdell-answers-the-question-of-why-lian-harper-does-not-exist/
“Um Ar- Roy, I actually never call him Arsenal and I never call him Speedy and I never call him Red Arrow… I just call him Roy because my feeling is he’s kinda moved on from that. He doesn’t have a daughter partially because he’s much younger than he’s been portrayed in the past, he’s about 19 years old now and other than, you know, MTV which glorifies teen pregnancy a lot um *chuckles* (hey kids!) I just didn’t think it was uh- I think the notion of Roy either leaving his daughter at home to fight crime or taking his daughter with him to fight crime- either way I just felt […] the character is better off not having a daughter. But I know people got very very very attached to her when she was around… so I feel badly for them but I don’t feel badly for Roy. I think it was the right decision.” – Scott Lobdell
Ugggh.
Still, I don’t want people to get mad at someone for something they didn’t actually say.
Yeah, that’s fair, especially when what he actually did say is worth getting mad over. Thanks for the clarification!
I don’t get what was his reason to start is using drugs start drinking in the new52, I drop Scott work quick, so I never learned his excuse.
I don’t think he ever did get around to explaining that.
At least Tynion is on RHATO now, though, and he seems to be good and have a huge focus on characterization, and he’s promised to get into Roy’s bg, so, fingers crossed and all that.
As long as the Fab Five don’t exist and no one else is bothered by the implications that Roy was originally willing to exploit Starfire’s diminished mental capacity to have sex with her (oh and that his sponsor is goddamn Killer Croc) the only good RHATO is a cancelled RHATO.
Roy saying THIS is the best time of his life is sad and insulting on so, so many levels.
*Life, sorry. UGH. Bad grammar and spelling are going to kill me one day.
Lobdell left a hell of a mess in RHATO, but I’m willing to give Tynion a shot. I am still so pissed about the Starfire and Croc things, though. Jason’s character got it pretty bad too, it’s just that it was marginally less terrible than anything with him in it since Countdown.
Well, I understand that your buying habits and my buying habits aren’t the same, so I want to make it clear that I’m not trying to attack you or anything like that.
I could never support RHATO on both principle and far numerous reasons, the main one being that DC is operating under the idea that no Lian = interesting Roy stories, and that doesn’t compute with me. I don’t like the art, the writing, the characterization, the implications, the editorial mandates, the pandering, I do not like ANY of it.
What’s especially frustrating is that the colorist, Nei Ruffino, is a very dear and important friend to me, and I had to to ask her if she would hate me for not buying Outlaws after promising to buy all the books she works on in order to support her career.
For me, it’s like… Jason is my only favorite character left in the reboot. Connor, Cass, Mia, Steph, Lian, Renee… everyone else is gone. It took me entirely too long to give up on Lobdell’s run on RHATO because of that, even with every single thing that was wrong with it, and now that Tynion’s on there, and he’s promising an arc with Cheshire, I’m just like… not only does Jason finally have a good writer after all this time, but he might even bring back Lian? But I can totally understand rejecting the book on principle - if it weren’t for Jason, I’d be buying nothing but Li’l Gotham right now, like I was between RHATO 0 and the last RHATO issue.
Cheshire to me is a virus, same as Green Arrow and Black Canary. They suck the life out of Roy and Lian and have so far stunted most of their growth. That’s not even taking into consideration my legitimate hatred for the manipulative bitch.
I can only imagine some more Batman/Catwoman melodrama between Roy and Cheshire involving Lian and then we get ten more years of “but she’s the mother of my child” nonsense while Cheshire flaunts her connection to get away with everything.
I’m holding out more hope of becoming a writer at DC myself and bringing back Lian, the ORIGINAL Lian, and forcing Roy to confront and own up to the damage he caused after Rise, then I would of anything meaningful coming out of the DCnU.
Truthfully I’ve only been interested in Jason before the first Crisis, back when Nocturna was involved as his mother figure. I don’t hate the post Crisis Robin he was, but I find him utterly annoying as Red Hood. To me he’s just a sad little boy who’s been holding on to his anger for too long because he didn’t have a life beyond beating people up before he died. All he has is hating people and beating up people and hating Bruce, and if he lets go of that there’s nothing but a bat-shaped void. It’d be more poignant if he hadn’t been stagnating for years as another living prop to exert more angst out of Bruce. I don’t even believe he actually LIKES Roy or Starfire, but that he’s trying too hard to mimic Bruce’s manipulative tendencies and to usurp Dick’s old friends because they were the most pliable and the only ones he could get his hands on, a mentally handicapped alien sex bomb and a drunken hanger on with a death wish and impeccable aim. Jason needs someone who has absolutely no connection to anyone else in his life, someone new, whom he can get to know on a clean slate and can give an unbiased look on the way he’s living his life and whether or not it’s worth it.
… wow, I don’t even know where to start on that.
Okay.
1. Cheshire is evil, okay. Nuked Qurac. But it’s hard to bring in Lian without bringing in Cheshire, and weird to bring in Cheshire without bringing in Lian, so yes, I’m actively looking forward to her being brought into RHATO.
2. Uh, seriously? The hell is wrong with Dinah? What comics have you been reading?
3. You’re free not to like Jason, but wow, no. “A mentally handicapped alien sex bomb?” Really? Yes, Lobdell’s portrayal of Starfire, Jason and Roy is abominable, but holding that against Jason is like holding Rise of Arsenal against Roy. I find Jason interesting for the complex relationship he has with the other Bats, and I find the morally grey area in which he walks intriguing. I enjoy his combination of snark and angst, and I find the idea of actually exploring his very obvious PTSD really interesting and am frustrated that it’s basically never been done in canon. I find pre-Crisis Jason utterly boring, but to each their own; still, pre and post Crisis Jason are as different as Helena Wayne and Helena Bertinelli, and it’s really not fair to try to put them in the same light.
Yeah, there’s probably more to deconstruct there, but your whole response just left me feeling kind of sick. Followers, feel free to add anything on if you want.](http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsnni1fBEw1qkz9yno1_500.jpg)
I miss Lian.
Titans v1 #5
We all do.
But Scott Lobdell said he doesn’t want to glorify teen pregnancy, so it’s nice that he has sound reasoning for why she doesn’t exist anymore.
Clearly, this man doesn’t know how to write if he thinks writing about teen pregnancy will glorify it. I never saw it as being glorified before, here. There’re ways to write things without glorifying it. He has no skill has a writer if he can’t possibly avoid that pitfall.
Wait
Wait wait wait wait
That was what he said about not bringing in Lian? That was his reasoning?
Oh my god
I hate that man so much.
WAIT. WAIT.
I paraphrased, sorry
http://www.titanstower.com/scott-lobdell-answers-the-question-of-why-lian-harper-does-not-exist/
“Um Ar- Roy, I actually never call him Arsenal and I never call him Speedy and I never call him Red Arrow… I just call him Roy because my feeling is he’s kinda moved on from that. He doesn’t have a daughter partially because he’s much younger than he’s been portrayed in the past, he’s about 19 years old now and other than, you know, MTV which glorifies teen pregnancy a lot um *chuckles* (hey kids!) I just didn’t think it was uh- I think the notion of Roy either leaving his daughter at home to fight crime or taking his daughter with him to fight crime- either way I just felt […] the character is better off not having a daughter. But I know people got very very very attached to her when she was around… so I feel badly for them but I don’t feel badly for Roy. I think it was the right decision.” – Scott Lobdell
Ugggh.
Still, I don’t want people to get mad at someone for something they didn’t actually say.
Yeah, that’s fair, especially when what he actually did say is worth getting mad over. Thanks for the clarification!
I don’t get what was his reason to
start is using drugsstart drinking in the new52, I drop Scott work quick, so I never learned his excuse.I don’t think he ever did get around to explaining that.
At least Tynion is on RHATO now, though, and he seems to be good and have a huge focus on characterization, and he’s promised to get into Roy’s bg, so, fingers crossed and all that.
As long as the Fab Five don’t exist and no one else is bothered by the implications that Roy was originally willing to exploit Starfire’s diminished mental capacity to have sex with her (oh and that his sponsor is goddamn Killer Croc) the only good RHATO is a cancelled RHATO.
Roy saying THIS is the best time of his life is sad and insulting on so, so many levels.
*Life, sorry. UGH. Bad grammar and spelling are going to kill me one day.
Lobdell left a hell of a mess in RHATO, but I’m willing to give Tynion a shot. I am still so pissed about the Starfire and Croc things, though. Jason’s character got it pretty bad too, it’s just that it was marginally less terrible than anything with him in it since Countdown.
Well, I understand that your buying habits and my buying habits aren’t the same, so I want to make it clear that I’m not trying to attack you or anything like that.
I could never support RHATO on both principle and far numerous reasons, the main one being that DC is operating under the idea that no Lian = interesting Roy stories, and that doesn’t compute with me. I don’t like the art, the writing, the characterization, the implications, the editorial mandates, the pandering, I do not like ANY of it.
What’s especially frustrating is that the colorist, Nei Ruffino, is a very dear and important friend to me, and I had to to ask her if she would hate me for not buying Outlaws after promising to buy all the books she works on in order to support her career.
For me, it’s like… Jason is my only favorite character left in the reboot. Connor, Cass, Mia, Steph, Lian, Renee… everyone else is gone. It took me entirely too long to give up on Lobdell’s run on RHATO because of that, even with every single thing that was wrong with it, and now that Tynion’s on there, and he’s promising an arc with Cheshire, I’m just like… not only does Jason finally have a good writer after all this time, but he might even bring back Lian? But I can totally understand rejecting the book on principle - if it weren’t for Jason, I’d be buying nothing but Li’l Gotham right now, like I was between RHATO 0 and the last RHATO issue.
Cheshire to me is a virus, same as Green Arrow and Black Canary. They suck the life out of Roy and Lian and have so far stunted most of their growth. That’s not even taking into consideration my legitimate hatred for the manipulative bitch.
I can only imagine some more Batman/Catwoman melodrama between Roy and Cheshire involving Lian and then we get ten more years of “but she’s the mother of my child” nonsense while Cheshire flaunts her connection to get away with everything.
I’m holding out more hope of becoming a writer at DC myself and bringing back Lian, the ORIGINAL Lian, and forcing Roy to confront and own up to the damage he caused after Rise, then I would of anything meaningful coming out of the DCnU.
Truthfully I’ve only been interested in Jason before the first Crisis, back when Nocturna was involved as his mother figure. I don’t hate the post Crisis Robin he was, but I find him utterly annoying as Red Hood. To me he’s just a sad little boy who’s been holding on to his anger for too long because he didn’t have a life beyond beating people up before he died. All he has is hating people and beating up people and hating Bruce, and if he lets go of that there’s nothing but a bat-shaped void. It’d be more poignant if he hadn’t been stagnating for years as another living prop to exert more angst out of Bruce. I don’t even believe he actually LIKES Roy or Starfire, but that he’s trying too hard to mimic Bruce’s manipulative tendencies and to usurp Dick’s old friends because they were the most pliable and the only ones he could get his hands on, a mentally handicapped alien sex bomb and a drunken hanger on with a death wish and impeccable aim. Jason needs someone who has absolutely no connection to anyone else in his life, someone new, whom he can get to know on a clean slate and can give an unbiased look on the way he’s living his life and whether or not it’s worth it.
… wow, I don’t even know where to start on that.
Okay.
1. Cheshire is evil, okay. Nuked Qurac. But it’s hard to bring in Lian without bringing in Cheshire, and weird to bring in Cheshire without bringing in Lian, so yes, I’m actively looking forward to her being brought into RHATO.
2. Uh, seriously? The hell is wrong with Dinah? What comics have you been reading?
3. You’re free not to like Jason, but wow, no. “A mentally handicapped alien sex bomb?” Really? Yes, Lobdell’s portrayal of Starfire, Jason and Roy is abominable, but holding that against Jason is like holding Rise of Arsenal against Roy. I find Jason interesting for the complex relationship he has with the other Bats, and I find the morally grey area in which he walks intriguing. I enjoy his combination of snark and angst, and I find the idea of actually exploring his very obvious PTSD really interesting and am frustrated that it’s basically never been done in canon. I find pre-Crisis Jason utterly boring, but to each their own; still, pre and post Crisis Jason are as different as Helena Wayne and Helena Bertinelli, and it’s really not fair to try to put them in the same light.
Yeah, there’s probably more to deconstruct there, but your whole response just left me feeling kind of sick. Followers, feel free to add anything on if you want.
